Both Samsung and TSMC will be keeping 2nm chip manufacturing in their home countries Comments
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Anonymous, 05 Feb 2024The Chips Act was always just a taxpayer funded relief package for Intel. There never was enou... moreIt's called state subsidization. And USA is subsidizing everything all around, yet keep whining about China and everyone else.
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[deleted post]Complete nonsense. It's the opposite. Apple designed the chip as a variant of the base Arm chip. They are 1 of only like 4 companies that have a license to alter the arm chip from arm. Tsmc makes the chip in Taiwan. Smh.
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USA only demands the tax ... even after the company has spend extras, and plus the workers demand high salary ... will the customer buy the products made in USA??? NEVER !!!
8f USA demands the industrials grow, USA must restructuring to give the insustries profit much more to build in USA
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Sad that the US cannot accept that they are not the leaders in chip design and manufacturing anymore.
I worry that they will take drastic measures to get what they want soon. History has clearly shown they do whatever it takes, and manufacture any situation and narrative to support it.
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LazyEngineer, 04 Feb 2024Lol Pat from Intel and other top CEOs frequently met top senators and Congressmens once or tw... moreThe Chips Act was always just a taxpayer funded relief package for Intel. There never was enough money to go around and most of it is going to Intel.
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This feels more political than technological.
TSMC Moving their latest tech to US means that US won't be needing to protect Taiwan at all cost from China. TSMC's 2nm tech is among Taiwan's last few cards.
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Well, at least, progress on making better displays, better batteries & better heatsink or coolers are never slowed. There's always more room for other future innovations on smartphones & handheld devices, you may not want to miss in the upcoming years to come and that's, for sure, still really exciting to know & experience also as a tech fanatic. These devices will be prone to exist until the end of the 21st Century.
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And they will probably still provide apple with the almighty brain, as always. Only rebranded with their name.
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Anonymous, 04 Feb 2024What? Intel is doing it's own thing. Unlike China, US corporations don't have gov&... moreLol Pat from Intel and other top CEOs frequently met top senators and Congressmens once or twice a month in the name of public events and hearing.
Just go to each companies blog page and you will find atleast one Top level executive talking with any political figure about Climate change, Rights, blah blah blah.... Once or twice a month.
we all know how they lobby their way in and some how all publicly traded companies have same group of majority owners.
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If Samsung wants to avoid paying the Qualcomm tax, I would rather it use a decent TSMC-made Mediatek Dimensity chip in the flagship Galaxy phones.
Samsung can make excellent displays and memory modules, but it just isn't very good at making chips.
Just forget about Exynos, leave everything to Google Pixel's Tensor, the cousin of Exynos.
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Mills, 04 Feb 2024HiSilicon and SMIC in the dark:China's chipmakers are not going to play with the big boys anytime soon.
In fact, China's economy might get really bad in the years to come. Think of the pre-WTO days.
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Cpt.Power, 04 Feb 2024And????
It does not matter it was a failure productCores A57 were 💩 indeed.
But peoplehere think that tsmc can magically solve any issue, i stead of believing potential design issue.
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Anonymous, 04 Feb 2024China isn't stupid, invading is far from a reality since even transporting their troops o... moreto be fair, every time their leader makes a public speech, it always or most of the time includes the topic of them invading or "reuniting" that democratic nation.
you can also check weibo where it is common to see users getting excited from a gov officials' post talking about the said invasion in the future.
This move by TSMC can also be viewed as a deterrance from that invasion. keeping the most important tech inside their country will make them more important in the global supply chain.
Same can be said with Samsung, I mean with papi kim just above them, imagine the companies who relies on Samsung when papi kim decided to do the funni. I mean Samsung at this point is already a major part of the global supply chain.
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Anonymous, 04 Feb 2024Isn’t chip manufacturing pretty automated?It's probably not unlike 3D printing, there are steps that are automated, but everything in between would need manual handling. Also only a fraction of the freshly minted chips are good, each would need to be thoroughly tested before passing. At any rate, TSMC currently has 70,000 employees, surely not all of them work in fabrication. You need office workers etc.
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Anonymous, 04 Feb 2024Not slow but deliberate. Neither TSMC nor Samsung wants the US to steal their advanced manufac... moreWhat? Intel is doing it's own thing. Unlike China, US corporations don't have gov't officials within their companies.
If the US wanted to steal the tech, they would have already done it.
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AnonD-641645, 04 Feb 2024Minimum wage in Taiwan is $5.88, minimum wage in Arizona is $14.35 (more than 2.4x). Salary ba... moreIsn’t chip manufacturing pretty automated?
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Anonymous, 04 Feb 2024China isn't stupid, invading is far from a reality since even transporting their troops o... moreNot slow but deliberate. Neither TSMC nor Samsung wants the US to steal their advanced manufacturing process and give it to Intel. They're happy to drag their heels and keep the US behind. Basically, just doing to the US what the US is trying to do to China. Keep the US at 10nm chip manufacturing.
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Here we are approaching limitation of shrinking die technology, soon we will get 5% max yearly increases on top chips but will cost significantly more than previous chips, not good times coming :( We still have Intel too, but they barely moving to 7nm :(
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Anonymous, 04 Feb 2024in max 5 years cpus will stop progressing like just battery techBattery has bunch of chemistries to work with
And the growing ev market/demand
So I'd say they are not close
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