YUKI93, 23 Nov 2023Still having 60Hz on the vanilla model is absolutely laughable, especially when the vanilla iP... moreCompletely true, even the upcoming A05 (you know, the lowest of the low) even has a 90hz screen 🤣 so 60hz, on a premium device
Shame on you Apple
Still having 60Hz on the vanilla model is absolutely laughable, especially when the vanilla iPhone 15 256GB cost the same as the Sony Xperia 5 Mk5 256GB (MYR 4,999 / ~$1,069) here in Malaysia, and I get a much better hardware with the Sony, not forgetting the still-relevant 3.5mm audio jack and microSD card slot.
Anonymous, 22 Nov 2023If you still fail to see how you went beyond disagreeing, bless your heart.Explain it to me?
Digdigfig, 22 Nov 2023Most tech people can't go back to 60hz after seeing 120hz. That's why they say it... moreYeah for some it will be more of a priority than others, I get that, and for those who put HRR on top a 'must have' list, well the non pro iPhone isn't for them . And like you i'm not necessarily agreeing with Apple's decision, but do understand it. They are not breaking any rules not including a HRR display in certain products or being 'morally bankrupt' or any of that over the top sensationalist nonsense, they are simply making a business decision.
Whether that decision is to their benefit or not is something they will determine from the market performance of said product.
Anonymous, 22 Nov 2023Just because you exposed yourself as the kind of person that you really are doesn't mean ... more'Just because you exposed yourself as the kind of person that you really are doesn't mean anyone just being decent is engaging in a "fake as grandstanding" lol.'
Your right it doesn't, fairly certain I've hit the nail on the head in this case mind.
I can both acknowledge and disagree with criticism. Or do I have to agree on this issue just for your benefit? I haven't told anyone not to comment, or silenced people or forbid anything, all of which I have been accused of. I have just disagreed, and voiced my own opinion. So yeah, i'm not the one exposing myself here.
DaFink, 22 Nov 2023I turn off pro motion on mine, not going to say I can't see the difference, I can. But it... moreMost tech people can't go back to 60hz after seeing 120hz. That's why they say it's a must. The thing is, unless you experience it, you don't really feel the need for it. I am not saying that what apple is doing is ok, only that I understand why they do it (plus they named it pro motion and they don't add pro features to non-pro phones so they dug that hole themselves)
As for price, they have definitely gone up lately, but you can still get decent 120/144hz monitors for ~200$ (at least where I live). Not sure about laptops and others tho.
DaFink, 22 Nov 2023Oh I’ve been plenty vocal in criticism of Apple on many points on this site, but i don’t have ... moreJust because you exposed yourself as the kind of person that you really are doesn't mean anyone just being decent is engaging in a "fake as grandstanding" lol.
"these iPhones have the specs they have and still sell in the volumes they do" and it's valid argument that they could be better for their price. That's essentially what some have commented, which you can't even acknowledge as fair criticism.
Digdigfig, 22 Nov 2023I agree, but then again. I have friends who don't use it because they can't tell whe... moreI turn off pro motion on mine, not going to say I can't see the difference, I can. But it's so subtle to my eyes that I'd rather have the miniscule boost to battery life over the equally minuscule preceptive boost to scrolling smoothness.
To each their own though, and there are many who say that simply can't use any display at less than 120hz. I think they are making a rod for their own backs personally, HRR might be prolific on Androids at multiple prices points, but boy do you have to pay for it in other display based products like TV, laptops, monitors etc.
I'm just grateful I'm not so hung up on this single feature, as it affords me a grater degree of flexibility in the range of devices I am happy to use and how I use them.
Anonymous , 21 Nov 202360 hz to 120 hz dude that's a drastic difference lol. Unless your eyes have problem. I agree, but then again. I have friends who don't use it because they can't tell when it's on or not. And they choose battery life over fluidity
Anonymous, 22 Nov 2023"In your world though it's simply HRR = Good value, non HRR = bad value." That&... moreOh I’ve been plenty vocal in criticism of Apple on many points on this site, but i don’t have to justify myself to the likes of you. We are not going to see eye to eye on this and I am getting bored with your fake as moral grandstanding.
So how about I go my way and you carry on being the people’s champion of value in your own mind. Cause in the end nothing either of us say will change he fact that that these iPhones have the specs they have and still sell in the volumes they do. That there isn’t some massive spate of returns with customers citing lack of refresh rate as the reason, would seem to suggest those customers are happy with the product as whole and just get on with it.
DaFink, 22 Nov 2023It is a single spec point, that's exactly what it is. One that you think is requirement, ... more"In your world though it's simply HRR = Good value, non HRR = bad value." That's never been the point smh. To spell it out to you, bad value is not the absence of a certain spec, it's omitting anything that even phones that cost a lot less have.
"See I don't really care for others getting there money's worth in specs." At least you're consistent being against consumers and protecting Apple as you've been replying to fair criticisms here in your attempt to invalidate them and make it seem like the company you support could never do any wrong.
Uncompetitive to wha? Last time I checked iPhones screens simply destroys any Android midranger. 60hz is all you need anyway.
Anonymous, 21 Nov 2023It's not just some "single spec point". If it were something that not all other... moreIt is a single spec point, that's exactly what it is. One that you think is requirement, and I think otherwise. See I don't really care for others getting there money's worth in specs, I'd just rather hope that they end up happy with their choices.
In your world though it's simply HRR = Good value, non HRR = bad value. And your seem to think that should apply to everyone's thinking. I give people more credit for being able to discern what constitutes good value for themselves, and regarding a product as complex and as a smartphone, do so based on far more than one single spec point.
DaFink, 21 Nov 2023Oohhh we are getting angsty aren't we, this seriously bothering you that much????
iPho... moreIt's not just some "single spec point". If it were something that not all other phones in this flagship price has (eg. telephoto cam), then it would be irrational to criticize them for it. But what we're talking about is something so basic that even phones less than half the price of this have lol.
There may be users of vanilla iPhone that don't mind the slow refresh rate but there are certainly those who would like to have this "Pro" hardware and those who would've liked it if they finally get to experience it. And the simple logical way to cater to all of them is to include a screen with high refresh rate and also give them the control whether or not to toggle it in the settings. I don't have to speak on behalf of others. Any decent person would want others to get their money's worth and not treated like this. Try thinking not just for your own interest sometimes, it might do you wonders (since we're apparently giving unsolicited advice now lol).
DaFink, 21 Nov 2023That's right people will buy it, and you can consider it a rip off, doesn't mean eve... more"You'll buy it anyway" simply means that people buy iPhones because they are popular and are considered the most premium phones in the world. So, even with a totally outdated refresh rate of 60hz people will buy it. Apple could quit the whole iPhone lineup and sell iPhone SE for 1500€ and people would still buy it. Periscope cameras exist for 4 years now (look at Huawei P30 Pro) but when Apple introduced just now the whole tech world discussed it.
You can't say people buy iPhones because they are okay with what they offer, they simply buy iPhones because they are iPhones.
Anonymous, 21 Nov 2023When 120hz displays are common in 200€ phones, it is a rip-off when a phone with 5 times that ... moreThat's right people will buy it, and you can consider it a rip off, doesn't mean everyone else will. I consider paying twice the price for a weak bendy screen that has a giant crease running down the middle a bad choice, but to each their own.