smartwo, 22 Sep 20231st put Leica, Sigma, Pentax, C. Zeiss, Nikon , some optics, than we talk...There are many phones with lenses you have mentioned but those are still behind samsung camera when come into mobile.🤣
DarlingYext, 19 Sep 2023So, why even have those low quality 4mp sensors added to the phone, under the display, which i... moreAs I understand it, that's for video calls. You're not supposed to use it to take selfie pictures.
No thanks, Samsung. Xiaomi 13 Pro/Ultra, Vivo X90 Pro/Pro+, and Oppo Find X6 Pro all proves that sensor size is still more important than Megapixel resolution. You can put any Megapixel resolution you like on a camera sensor for pixel binning purpose, but you cannot ever simply change the camera sensor's physical size.
PepperPot, 19 Sep 2023Will the images still look like a water painting when I zoom in? No because the resolution will wb above 12mp and also combined with computational photography algorithms it wil be like hybrids of the past but better
1st put Leica, Sigma, Pentax, C. Zeiss, Nikon , some optics, than we talk...
0odle-noodle, 21 Sep 2023that didn't explain anythingIf you choose not to believe so, don't.
Just compare the camera quality of an S23 Ultra and 15 pro max and let me know.
0odle-noodle, 20 Sep 2023okay, so explain to me why a standard 12MP camera is better than a 200MP camera with a larger ... moreThere are a lot of factors that affect the end result, like processing and many other software stuff.
I seldomly use the ultrawide camera so brands should provide only 2 cameras, one main wide and another telephoto camera, that will be sufficient for most of users because telephoto camera is good 👍😊
i have the S23 Ultra and i am the first time really dissapointed by the camera.1x-3x zoom,in good light the S10+ is equal,in low light the S23U is remarkable better ,i have my S10+500GB for 4.5 Years Now and not even 1 time any Problem.With the S23 Ultra Camera,Samsung fu..ed it up,a Disaster,who needs Moon Pics?In daily Life in need 1-3x zoom and in this Range the S10+ is equal,i did really about 100 Comparsion Pics but it is what it is.I tried all diffrent settigs with the camera assistant,but no way for a better quality.For this Price i could buy two laptops,i have the 500GB Version.I had the S7 Edge and was enthusiastic,same with the S10+,but the S23Ultra is IMHO a big fail.i hope with some camera updates they can make it a bit better.Shame on you @Samsung.
justasmile, 20 Sep 2023Not 8mp, but 12mp is just right.okay, so explain to me why a standard 12MP camera is better than a 200MP camera with a larger sensor & uses pixel binning to create a 12.5mp photo
I think this is not going to be a trend. Just see the optical format of those sensors, 1/1.4 for HP3 and 1/1.3 for HP2. How can these big sensors can be used as telephoto lens, as they are very similar size to main camera sensors. Although it's implemented the thick of that telephoto module will be too much. The largest zoom camera module I've seen till this day is Oppo find x6 pro's periscope lens with optical format of 1/1.5 I think they've used IMX890 for that because of that the mobile is around 9.1mm thick. Just imagine if these sensors are used as telephoto lens what will be the thickness of handset.
How much storage is going to be needed on a phone if the camera photos are 200mp? Even downscaled by 4 it's 50mp.
Anonymous, 20 Sep 2023If quad Bayer is so good then how come no dedicated cameras use it? Yes as7iii imx510 but that... moreDedicated DSLR cameras should absolutely never come up in a conversation about smartphone cameras. Why? Its like comparing the payload of a train to that of a hatchback. You cant drive the train off tracks as with the dslr cameras that you cant put in your pockets or do anything else but take photos and videos. Do we have to pretend that smartphones could or should ever be as versatile as a camera that is 10 times the size and 5 times the cost? You can get these huge pixels in dedicated cameras but just the size of the sensor is half the phone and the lens is several times bigger, none of these are feisable in a pocketable phone.
0odle-noodle, 19 Sep 2023Go find me an 8mp camera that can shoot 4k photos and then maybe people will take you seriously.Not 8mp, but 12mp is just right.
And what about the noise because of such a small pitch size 😂?
Anonymous, 20 Sep 2023"on a 3x telephoto module with a 200MP sensor, lossless zoom scenarios can be run from 3x... moreYou seems to know your stuff. So as layman I have to ask. Why the diffraction would be problem when cropping on large sensor? The aperture is not changing, so the only reason to experience more of the diffraction while doing those "lossless" zooms should be because of pixel sizes are effectively smaller. Is that correct?
Most useful focal lengths for me are between 26 and 70mm while liking option to go further to get picture of distance object. So I am all in on 1x 200mp + 3x 200mp - but please somebody package it to 6,3" phone and not 6,8" behemoths!
Is this means 50mp with 16:9 too?
Samsung for life, 19 Sep 2023It is not fake pixel , it is smaller pixel .
Larger pixel will provide better result.
B... moreLet's examine your comment:
"But More pixel will provide you more flexibility when compared to same sized sensor with lesser megapixel. "
- True, infact 808 pureview is a great example. But two things: 1. RGB pixels 2. Decent size of 1.4 microns. This isn't the case today. This 200mp sensor has only 0.6 micron actual physical pixel size (the 2.4 miron is a fake number, they just add 0.6 micron pixels in 4x4 array but that still isn't a real 2.4 micron pixel). And effective colour resolution is only 12.5mp. Yes, AI/software remosaicing could help colour a bit, but it will never reach ideal determined by physical laws.
"Which one you think will be better 0.75mp or 12.5mp ?"
- It depends sir. Hypothetically, what if your 12.5mp sensor has only 0.1micron pixel size? I imagine, that image would be totally unusable compared to even a sub-megapixel photo of decent pixel size, maybe even in broad daylight! Remove some light and it's even more obvious.
In conclusion, a decent balance between resolution and pixel size is needed. In my opinion, today a good smartphone camera sensor should be around 20-25megapixels with RGB pixel layout, with at least 2 micron pixel pitch. I really wish the sensor of Sharp Aquos R6, which is 1" 20.7mp RGB was more common!
Multi-Bayer sensors MUST be banned.