LightHunter, 18 Jul 2023Apple phone not above others... not sure abt their current model. But when comes low-light pho... morePoint was that post looks like recommendation for apple, adding other phones to hide intent with big ''whats more'' and shot of iphone.
May not be intended, but definitely looks like it.
As for real performance, just compare how much it loses in sensor size, apertures,.. like to xiaomi 13 ultra, or even 12S. Any phone do well, difference is in detail, like always.
LightHunter, 18 Jul 2023Agree to 'There is loads of videos Xiaomi 13 Ultra/Oppo Find X6 Pro etc vs digital camera... moreIts not about replacing, but also it is.
Phones are more pocketable, so how it goes - best camera is the one you got with you.
Experienced that also myself.
As for replacing, there are 2 points of view, video and stills.
Even with all of that quality talk, phones are just more available when needed, not to mention 4K or 8K is no problem, which often is in a lot of cameras, lol, you can almost dream about 8K camera for the family, etc.
As for stills, I see people using them a lot, there are some full size cameras here and there, but the rest - 9 out of 10 people shooting stills use phone - and its no wonder since almost everybody got one.
Not to forget with all that 50mp 200mp ultra night, ultra sharp colorful hdr at one touch, auto upload and sharing, who would care to use ''special piece of equipment''. They even shoot vertical stills and videos.
I may not be right in everything and some professional and daily photography fields change with a person, but with changing apertures, high quality / hi resolution, multiple cameras in one device, 8K, smart features, sensor size... phones are getting really close to their performance.
If there would be rollable stick with enough thickness for way larger sensors, just imagine that. It is not here but may happen anytime with all this bendable tech.
And I didn't even mention R&D about meta optics, phones using IR sensitive sensors right from factory,..
The most professional work still needs ff cameras as the difference in size is big, at least for now.
Kingchin33, 05 Jul 2023"Be it stills 12mp vs 200mp or 4K(8mp resolution) vs 8K(32mp resolution), can some differ... moreAgree to 'There is loads of videos Xiaomi 13 Ultra/Oppo Find X6 Pro etc vs digital cameras. Smartphone technology has come a long way and binned 12MP images on the top smartphones are pretty good. But it still won't ever replace a decent digital camera for professional photography.'
I have a pocket size Sony RX-100VI, its sensor size, optics and auto-focus are some of elements that gives such cameras edge over most phones.
vrvly, 18 Jul 2023Apple at the top lol. Of course it matters, the resolution. There was talk about it here, htc ... moreApple phone not above others... not sure abt their current model. But when comes low-light photography, am not convinced Apple handles well. But handling of contrasting areas during day, it seems to do well.
LightHunter, 18 Jul 2023Having more megapixels may not produce better image; may capture more details but may have mor... moreApple at the top lol. Of course it matters, the resolution. There was talk about it here, htc vs 1020, guess who won. The same there was talk about full size camera resolution at pro camera forum, difference in color is minimal while noise is less blocky and detail difference is more obvious.
Of course we talk about quality performance which tends to be worse as you need more computation for hi res. But guess what, computation is way way better than it was when huawei p20 line came out or when vivo nex 3 was, so end result is way better compared to low res now.
As if low res got no noise, it depends on sensor size and those are about the same in phones, you get the same amount of light, no matter the resolution.
Low resolution is only good at achieving less color noise at extreme iso.
Sensor read out is only matter of tech getting better, lol, even sony got a1 with 50mp and 240fps read out, while most got just 15fps, so this is also not a reason to not upgrade.
Its the most shame for sony, since they got hi res cameras as well as low res ones with the same sensor size leading in ff photography, but cannot do so in phones.
You mention downside of multi bayer, but look at how it quickly captures hi res and compare it to sony 4000 euro cameras, how long it takes to capture hi res photo, its a joke if we compare it, of course, luckily its not even field with different sensor sizes.
Good luck there is no such competition in ff, but of course, it can change.
vrvly, 05 Jul 2023200mp is not with fullframe quality, but downsizing it to 50mp you get the output with most de... moreHaving more megapixels may not produce better image; may capture more details but may have more noise than useful accurate image of the scene?
Also, since cramming so many sensors into smaller overall sensor size, also mean each (pixel) sensor would be so tiny resulting in less sensitive to light and perform badly in poorer light conditions?
Kingchin33, 05 Jul 2023"Be it stills 12mp vs 200mp or 4K(8mp resolution) vs 8K(32mp resolution), can some differ... moreWell, I'm not much into video shooting, but I will occasionally shoot something and just grab stills from that since I get video and stills at once, so of course with such poor stills from video, poor 8mp vs poor 32mp is just way too of difference.
8K in phones is of course not of professional quality, but still got more detail than 4K, not to mention pro 8K alternative is way too pricy, unlike the phone price.
As for 200mp stills, I think they were the least blurry(I guess since the sensor is small) but surely they take the sharpest pics(since besides good processing they got the most pixels obviously). As I got some experience, I know that 1" cannot easily match medium format hi res, and it was never about comparing the same resolution - 200mp is sharpest only when comparing it to 50mp or 108mp from the other phones.
When it comes to full size cameras, there is a difference between detail made with 12mp, 25mp and 50mp cameras. So it is between mobile phones and when comparing almost the same resolution of phone sized sensors right now and medium format, it's either madness or just to show it excessively to nonbelievers, which is not me.
If this phones 200mp was compared in detail(not a color or overall performance) to 12mp or 25mp full frame camera, most importantly, with ideal lighting conditions, it would be quite different.
I've seen that video before and it's as one would expect, but also let me say that editing raws will get you better result and there is that option, so if they were trying to show how close to medium format it can get, they would use it, but they were doing comparison of the same lvl, jpeg vs jpeg, as if it could not be more ridiculous.
So output performance also depends on how much user edit that photo or do not edit at all.
That much I know.
Rkm, 06 Jul 2023Ha, ok. Your "I dont know what blackmagic phones manufacturer do to make it look like 24... moredid you seriously think wait what black magic the camera company who makes high quality video cameras makes phones???
AvgpPhPhoneUser, 05 Jul 2023i said for example not the true crop factor Ha, ok.
Your "I dont know what blackmagic phones manufacturer do to make it look like 24mm/23mm/ " sentence caused the confusion.
vrvly, 05 Jul 2023200mp is not with fullframe quality, but downsizing it to 50mp you get the output with most de... more"Be it stills 12mp vs 200mp or 4K(8mp resolution) vs 8K(32mp resolution), can some difference in color, which is often different from person to person matter?
You say mediocre photos, but I wish there was 200mp vs 12mp comparison, or 4K vs 8K one. Wonder if you can say the same then..."
Dude go and do some simple research and a photography course to get answers to your questions. I've done a basic photography course in the past and I'm into home cinema 4K blu ray etc so I know a certain amount of stuff (though not nearly as much as some people)
Quite a lot of professional photographers only occasionally use medium format high resolution camera's. Only actually needed for several metre plus prints that will be in exhibitions with the public going right upto them. The massive billboards in the street buildings aren't actually that high resolution as they are many metres away from eye sight. So don't need to be high resolution.
4K vs 8K video if you have a big enough screen/display the 8K will usually look better. I've seen 8K footage of the 2012 London Olympics on a very big screen and it looked amazing, seen 70mm (equivalent to 8K) film Samsara at a cinema and it also was amazing. But 4K is good enough for now as very little 8K content, plus 4K blu rays still look very good on a OLED tv.
There is loads of videos Xiaomi 13 Ultra/Oppo Find X6 Pro etc vs digital cameras. Smartphone technology has come a long way and binned 12MP images on the top smartphones are pretty good. But it still won't ever replace a decent digital camera for professional photography.
Rkm, 05 Jul 2023Smartphones don't have 1.5x crop factor, that's for aps-c sensors. i said for example not the true crop factor
vrvly, 05 Jul 2023200mp is not with fullframe quality, but downsizing it to 50mp you get the output with most de... moreThe Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 50MP mode still produces poor images with little detail, blurry backgrounds etc. The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 200MP tiny main sensor is just far too small! Only when binned to a much lower 12MP can the Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra produce decent images for a smartphone.
Advantage of higher resolution 100MP, 200MP will only be there if using a big sensor ie a medium format sensor on a digital camera 📸 You obviously aren't that knowledgeable and experienced in photography no offence. As Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 200MP and 50MP modes produce crap images, this is fact!
Go watch JZ Michael's Youtube video - Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 200MP in Jpeg photos vs Fujifilm GFX 100S Medium Format Camera 102MP photos in Jpeg comparison 👌🏾 hint the Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra 200MP photos were terrible!
Kingchin33, 05 Jul 2023The tiny sensor of the main 200MP Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra camera produces mediocre photos in ... more200mp is not with fullframe quality, but downsizing it to 50mp you get the output with most detail. Of course with 50mp or 12mp mode you get better quality instead of hi res, which is great at contrasty scenes, low light or fast moving subjects.
Sensors in phones were always tiny, but their processing makes up for that, be it 12mp or 200mp, with poor processing you will always get mediocre photos.
Advantage of high resolution is - 4x the resolution instead of 1.5x quality, which is more visible. Be it stills 12mp vs 200mp or 4K(8mp resolution) vs 8K(32mp resolution), can some difference in color, which is often different from person to person matter?
You say mediocre photos, but I wish there was 200mp vs 12mp comparison, or 4K vs 8K one. Wonder if you can say the same then...
vrvly, 04 Jul 2023Resolution matters, this smaller sensor can bring more detail at 50mp mode and even more at 20... moreThe tiny sensor of the main 200MP Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra camera produces mediocre photos in 200MP mode!
Obviously you can't cheat physics and get good native 200MP photos out of a tiny camera sensor.
Hence why smartphone manufacturers all use pixel binning as the default camera setting to produce much better quality photos but at a reduced 12MP.
AvgpPhPhoneUser, 04 Jul 2023Photographers use different types of lenses to capture various perspectives and compositions i... moreCurrently the biggest sensor you could find on a smartphone is IMX989, which is a type 1 sensor - That has a crop factor of 2.7x, not 1.5x.
Anonymous, 04 Jul 2023Larger aperture allows more light in, still sensor has lower capacity to grab the light in ca... moreThat's technically true, although I don't believe there will be a *significant* difference in the amount of light being collected between type 1/1.3 and type 1/1.12 sensors when they are paired with F1.6 and F1.9 lenses, for instance. The former will be still noisier at the base ISO for sure, but then now the question is, how much do you care about a relatively low noise level at the base ISO when the phone will be most likely stacking a bunch of frames to reduce noise anyway?
As always chinese brands lie
Mi 13 ultra
Jpeg : 75mm and 120mm
Dng : 60mm and 116mm
According to exif data
Anonymous, 04 Jul 2023Why other manufacturers don't offer 35mm as standard?Photographers use different types of lenses to capture various perspectives and compositions in their photographs. When including more of the background in a picture, they might opt for a wider lens such as a 24mm or even wider, allowing for a broader field of view. However, certain situations may restrict the photographer's ability to physically move closer or farther away from the subject. In such cases, having a fixed 24mm lens can be limiting in terms of achieving the desired composition. This is where lenses with wider focal lengths, such as a 12mm or ultra-wide lenses, come in handy.
The crop factor is an important consideration.
For example, if a smartphone has a fixed focal length of 4.10mm, but the crop factor is 1.5x, the resulting field of view would be equivalent to a 6.15mm. I dont know what blackmagic phones manufacturer do to make it look like 24mm/23mm/