Carol, 05 Mar 2023Yeah, whatever. I actually did not condamned the Honor of being a knockoff just because of the... moreI thought of a joke, a student who was considered a plagiarist got first place in the test, lol, well anyway, since you admit to being a racist, no one will be surprised what you say
Carol, 05 Mar 2023A Sandwitch can be made from all sorts of materials, there is no comparison to taking one desi... moreIt will be the one that represents yours, which only makes telephones for nursing homes. And it still stayed there, in the year 2011.
Carol, 05 Mar 2023Yeah, whatever. I actually did not condamned the Honor of being a knockoff just because of the... moreRight we got some big problems around here and those are "blind Nokia fanboys". The Lumia 1020 and the Magic 5 Pro only share the circular camera bump. That's it! Not the same camera alignment (and of course, not the same performance as the 5 Pro). So many other phones have a circular camera bump. The 12S Ultra, Mate 50 Pro, Honor Magic 3, 4, and 5 series... maybe the upcoming Find X6 series. So stop bringing the Lumia 1020 and most of all, stop defending Nokia like it's sacred! Nokia is dead; maybe back in the day they were innovative, but times have changed and they've remained behind
Carol, 07 Mar 2023I did not ignore the differences you listed, i did not find them to be important enough to tal... moreYou are intentionally ignoring the differences. The sole basis of your claim is that both Lumia 1020 and Magic5 Pro have a circular camera bump and nothing more, which I already made a counterargument by pointing out the difference in their sizes and sensor layouts inside it. I should've also mentioned that even the sideway view of the bump is quite different, with Lumia having a trapezium one with a much smoother transition along the edges and the one on Magic feels a lot more like a "bump" by having a rigid boundary in comparison. They are both circles, that's it, and that's exactly where the similarity ends. Their back designs are distinguishably different from each other.
"You probably are to young and never experienced the times when Manufacureres actually innovated"
I've been seeing all innovations in the smartphone space since I became a tech enthusiast, thank you very much. It's quite astonishing how many unique ideas recent smartphone manufacturers managed to implement on their products, especially when it comes to camera-related features. A gimbal stabiliser, high-resolution Quad Bayer sensors, night mode processing, in-camera multi-frame RAW output, real-time HDR, experimentations with non-Bayer CFA, ML-based scene recognition and noise reduction.. Sadly Nokia (or should we just call them HMD) has been completely irrelevant in the high-end section of the smartphone market, and Huawei is slowly moving away from their phone business due to sanctions, but it's fortunate at least we have BBK, Xiaomi and Honor to carry on their imaging legacy.
Anonymous, 06 Mar 2023What for?For security purpose, for not having the issue that if I have A12 and the latest version available it's 15, to have the surprise that I can't run those apps because the android version it's old.
Even if the cameras look like the 3 holes on a coconut, I like this back design. Reminds me of Lumia designs and the recent Nokia 7.2, 5.3, 1.4, X10, C5 endi etc. The front is pretty boring though tbh.
I think Nokia should hire the same ODM that Honor and Huawei hire to make their phones to make them stand out
Nick Tegrataker, 06 Mar 2023Umm.. you're the one who is spewing nonsense while ignoring all the design differences th... moreI did not ignore the differences you listed, i did not find them to be important enough to talk about, especially because they do nothing but bringing the design in line with the new trend, while still taking advantage of the iconic look that gives off that this is a camera centric device. But nope, you are right, they really struggled to create this, i mean, they worked on it for months. From narrow bazels screen, as any device this days, to flat metal side frame, as any device this days, to 3 cameras as any device this days, to rounded corners, as any device this days. So you listed here the obvious differences that even a kid can draw while ignoring the important part; called design language, but i'm the one with an oversimplifed mindset?
Also not directly but for sure it sounds like you are talking about Lumia devices to be working like crapp, if that's the case, well that's the most ignorant claim i have ever read, those devices were more stable and faster then any android that was sold back then, hack even faster then iphones. Windows was lacking apps in comparison to google or apple, but for sure was not lacking speed.
I never said that people should chose based on beauty or design or how iconic the device is, i just stated the obvious. And when i talked about 1020 i never said that it is all about design, that phone had features that came to iphone and android 7 years later, that is why remains a legend. That is what people call innovation. You probably are to young and never experienced the times when Manufacureres actually innovated... you probably think that having an SD 8 gen 2 with 12 gb ram is pure innovation.
Carol, 06 Mar 2023Wow, big agressive words for someone that clearly has no idea what design is, and how hard it ... moreUmm.. you're the one who is spewing nonsense while ignoring all the design differences that I pointed out. Literally the logic of your claim is:
- Magic5 Pro has a massive circular camera bump
- Lumia 1020 also had a massive circular camera bump
- Oh no! They are the same phone!!!!!
And now someone with this kind of oversimplified mindset is preaching to me about how the design process works.. If this wasn't trolling, then what would be?
"If there is something to mourn, would be this one, after half a year when nobody will remember it existed"
I'm afraid most rational people choose don't choose their phones based on how memorable they are, but rather on whether they will suit their needs in real-life scenarios. It's always nice to see when a particular phone stands out in terms of design, but if it runs like crap or has severe issues with app availability at the same time, nobody would actually buy it.
Anonymous, 05 Mar 2023What for u need updates? When i buy phone and phone work well, no need any updates.If you're fine with no updates then go back to P30 Pro and that's it..I honestly want to have the latest features, the latest security updates.
Nick Tegrataker, 06 Mar 2023"there is no comparison to taking one design, do some some corners rounding, and install ... moreWow, big agressive words for someone that clearly has no idea what design is, and how hard it is to do something new (lumia 1020), versus to work around something that was already there (this phone). But hey feel free screem here as if you'd know something instead of learning, will bring you a lot in the future.
As for "mourning" the lumia 1020, not needed but thanks for asking. The device had it's time and as any device is now retired. The difference between the two is tough that the device is a legend, and is sitting proudly on my shelf. This one? Will remain this, at today's level, a nobody with a copy paste-change here there design, and nothing new or innovative. If there is something to mourn, would be this one, after half a year when nobody will remember it existed.
Carol, 05 Mar 2023A Sandwitch can be made from all sorts of materials, there is no comparison to taking one desi... more"there is no comparison to taking one design, do some some corners rounding, and install 3 cameras instead of one"
This is hilarious. Are you seriously suggesting that this phone took an entire design from Lumia 1020? Let's see, I didn't know that that old phone had such narrow bezels, a curved display, a pill-shaped camera cutout, flat metal side frame with curved corners, and a glass back panel with rounded edges. Even the size of the circular bump as well as the arrangement of various sensors inside it are different - When it's significantly easier to find differences than to find similarities, you know your logic is completely screwed up..
It's fine, though, I know this year will mark the 10th anniversary of the long-gone Lumia 1020, so you can mourn for your loss as much as you want.
Anonymous, 06 Mar 2023Person claim because seeing photos on cell phone screen does not show misaligned frames. And ... more"And the nasty white contour ariund subject"
That's just sharpening - Misalignment of frames usually appears as ghosting, not white ringing artifacts around edges.
"Reason pixel 7 has blurry faces"
Blame the noise reduction for that, not the image-stacking algorithms.
"Frames need to be 100% equal"
For the best result, technically true, but competent stacking algorithms (e.g. HDR+) are usually capable of local alignment of multiple images.
Nick Tegrataker, 05 Mar 2023It's really good to know that smartphone cameras are getting increasingly better at captu... morePerson claim because seeing photos on cell phone screen does not show misaligned frames. And the nasty white contour ariund subject.
As I have said before, not even with global shutter can do it.
Not slow sensor ( not even 20ms) is gonna do it. Reason pixel 7 has blurry faces.
Frames need to be 100% equal. No phone can do it. Not even those with built in dram cmos
Nick Tegrataker, 05 Mar 2023Wow, I didn't know Nokia should deserve credit for every single large circular camera bum... moreA Sandwitch can be made from all sorts of materials, there is no comparison to taking one design, do some some corners rounding, and install 3 cameras instead of one. So nope, it is not only about the round Camera in the middle, it is about the whole concept. But as i've previously said, this is not about only this design, it is about everything this company represents.
an ordinary, 05 Mar 2023If you think that innovation is of appearance, you are right. However great changes have take... moreYeah, whatever. I actually did not condamned the Honor of being a knockoff just because of the similar design to 1020. I actually accuse the whole Company of being one copy->paste->sell->make money->rewind. But do not worry, in this cycle are all chinese companies included. Even the "another new commer" Nothing...
Carol, 05 Mar 2023Oh, look another stolen from Nokia design, but way uglier then lumia 1020, that one had charac... moreWow, I didn't know Nokia should deserve credit for every single large circular camera bump. I guess all modern phones must be condemned for being a copy of the iPhone 4S because it was the first phone with a glass + metal sandwich design, too?
Get over yourself and stop being salty, this isn't 2013.
Edge screen don’t like
Carol, 05 Mar 2023Oh, sorry "mate" i didn't know that a knock-off device ca be the best today, te... moreMy God, if it isn't Carol the Nokia fanboy who was all over the Nokia X30 review comment section....long time no see. Looking for an entourage with Nokia supporters? Cuase you ain't find them here