bulbulito.bayagbag, 05 Dec 2022There is no way to compete in the premium segment, which Apple and Samsung dominate. Even in c... moreChinese and people in general like iPhones because of their no frills, ease of use and its branding.. plus iphone is the go-to choice if you have 0 technical knowledge and want to look cool cos you have money. Its the same with most brand, people buy it to associate with it.. people who actually really look into the tech and make informed decisions based on whats being offered are far and few in comparison to the masses that just buy to flaunt
Anonymous, 05 Dec 2022Samsung is still king of the Android, almost all rich Android enjoyers buy Samsung, not Vivo, ... moreThey buy samsung because in the android world, the ios equivalent is samsung, when it comes to longer software support, there is no android manufacturer that comes close to samsung. Even google is behind Samsung.
bulbulito.bayagbag, 05 Dec 2022They actually do invest in marketing, BBK electronics, especially. Of which owns oppo, vivo, r... morethey sponsor one of the biggest global sports event but,their phone is not yet avaliable in global market.this is a very bad timing within the company.
Anonymous, 05 Dec 2022Samsung is still king of the Android, almost all rich Android enjoyers buy Samsung, not Vivo, ... morewhy u samsung hard fanboys so angry? i'm a samsung user, fold3 and pixel 7 pro and can confirm vivo makes good phones from my own experience. samsung isn't really that much better than competition, probably worse if you don't count the foldables.
Anonymous, 05 Dec 2022Samsung is still king of the Android, almost all rich Android enjoyers buy Samsung, not Vivo, ... moreThat's because of the brand value that Samsung has. The software support as well I guess? But the software, for me, is not optimised. I'm using a snapdragon S22 ultra and it stutters a lot and has numerous software issues. Speakers aren't great. Cameras are wonky, they're extremely noisy in extreme high dynamic range photos. Photos are noisy in general. Videos and photos are oversharpened till they're full of artifacts. White balance is pretty off from reality which I'd have been fine with if the colours looked better, but they don't, at least to me. The phone's battery isn't confidence inspiring either. The fingerprint scanner does not properly work with a screen protector. I'm gonna get a midrange phone next, flagships aren't worth it anymore. Fast software updates are great but the experience overall is not. Sad thing is, in the flagship market everything else is full of flaws as well. Oneplus phones are insanely buggy nowadays with people saying displays glitching out. Xiaomi forgets how to update their phones. Oppo's skin just isn't it. Vivo's pretty slow to roll out their updates. Google on the other hand produces huge messes in the form of the Pixel phones. I can not trust them. Apple on the other hand has great hardware but the software is just so wack, I don't want to feel confined
Little Penguin , 04 Dec 2022Still, ppl in China for same price will be choosing iphone 14 128GB over this. I doubt viv... moreThere is no way to compete in the premium segment, which Apple and Samsung dominate. Even in china, people would prefer an iphone than a domestic brand. Since most domestic brands are just copycats of the iphone anyways. Why would you settle for a copycat? why not get what they are copying?
yalim, 05 Dec 2022chinese never invest on marketing and never understand how it worksThey actually do invest in marketing, BBK electronics, especially. Of which owns oppo, vivo, realme, oneplus. If you got to malls, you can see their ads plastered on everything, walls, escalators etc. I don't know why you are not aware? they actually spend a lot on marketing.
jiyen235, 05 Dec 2022progress in being a bad company aye? lol Samsung peaked in late 2020-2021. S21 Ultra, Note 20 ... moreSamsung is still king of the Android, almost all rich Android enjoyers buy Samsung, not Vivo, oppo or Xiaomi, you're saying that because ice said that, typical Samsung hater XD
jiyen235, 05 Dec 2022progress in being a bad company aye? lol Samsung peaked in late 2020-2021. S21 Ultra, Note 20 ... moreProgress in camera, s22 ultra and z fold 4 still have the best optimization ever)
Anonymous, 05 Dec 2022People praise Vivo even when they're going back, but criticize Samsung for stagnation, wh... moreprogress in being a bad company aye? lol Samsung peaked in late 2020-2021. S21 Ultra, Note 20 Ultra, S20 FE, A52s 5g. The newer phones are not good upgrades compared to those.
People praise Vivo even when they're going back, but criticize Samsung for stagnation, while actually Samsung is doing the progress, so hilarious XD
Its funny, ironically how vivo shows that it introduced this phone to Fifa 2022 but has not launched and released in Qatar yet
I would rather buy the vanilla X90. It's much cheaper and lack of 1 inch sensor isn't too much a deal breaker for me.
Anonymous, 04 Dec 2022It is not about good management, it is about being good or not from financial point of view.
... morevivo will just be CRUSHED in the West, though. Their closest camera/content-creation rival, Sony, is already struggling with very uncompetitive pricing amidst the IMPENETRABLE wall (and cheap carrier deals) of Samsung and Apple, especially in the US, CA, and AU.
OnePlus tried, and they bombed so hard they started spamming cheap phones (Nord 10, 20, 30) with laughable components to try and puff up their sales figures...
The specs are great and it's predecessors got much priase even on professional photography sites such as Dpreview.
So, of course is this phone of high interest for photography enthusiasts.
That being said, it's not relevant for most people because it's not available outside China.
And then there is the question of of hardware stability and software support: how many years of major and security updates are being provided?
Are there any voco service centers that can change the battery when it wears out after 2-3 years of use?
We want it, but we can't buy it haha.
Albi.RM, 04 Dec 2022If in VIVO they had a good sales director, they would go ahead to sell all the versions also i... moreIt is not about good management, it is about being good or not from financial point of view.
It is not simple and cheap to be everywhere like motorola, samsung and apple.
Sales are not always enough to keep operations in some places.
Regarding the upcoming vivo x90 pro which promises to be a top flagship android phone by being the first phone to be powered by the Qualcomm snapdragon 8 gen 2 chip should bring a lot of excitement and innovation in phone technology. However all this maybe overshadowed by Apple's iPhone 14 pro and max variants powered by the even more powerful a16 bionic chip in benchmark performance tests. And add to that Apple's superiority in hardware/software optimization efficiency vs android phones.